(23/04/2013) FC Bayern München -:- FC Barcelona

[CroCHEF]

Ma malo i pretjerujete sad s atmosferom na stadionu. Atmosfera je npr i protiv Wolfsburga bila super, a radilo se o kup-utakmici, a ne sjećam se da je prije na utakmicama kupa bilo toliko dobro.
Prošle sezone protiv Reala je atmosfera bila sjajna, ove protiv Juve hajmo reći dosta dobra.....Znam da neki misle i da su one udaraljke (ili kako ti već) što se upotrebljavaju u košarkaškim i rukometnim dvoranama bezveze, a po mom mišljenju ono je dobra stvar.

Što se koreografije tiče, tu štopamo u zadnje vrijeme .....A što se tiče navijača koji tamo ostave prazan prostor, oni stvarno seru....Meni ne ulazi u glavu, da neko zbog strožije kontrole na stadionu, sere. Znači trebali bi jednom doći i reći, mi hoćemo bombu na stadion da unesemo, a oni nam ne daju....

Prije prigovaranja navijačima bi bilo dobro da se upoznate sa samom problematikom.

jep... sve je napisano u mom linku

[effe__sa]

A evo ovde interesantne analize kroz 5 otvorenih pitanja, predstojećeg susreta s Barcom :

5 pitanja pred duel Bayern-Barca

[anton 1983]

Kako god da ga okreneš, žalosno je što neće biti koreografije. Jebote igramo protiv Barce 1/2 finale - blamaža.

Za sva sranja postoje dvije medalje. Inaće uopće mi se neda čitat njihovo objašnjenje. Problem je u tome što sa takvim bojkotiranjem ja smatram da se ne postiže ništa i uvijek sam protiv bojkotiranja, da bi se postigla stvar. Poanta je da na tome samo BAYERN puši i niko drugi, jer se niti jedan stranac neće zamarati sa time što se događa na našem stadionu nego će se to smatrati normalnim.

pas mater, odem na Barcu i onda ŠIT ŠTIMUNG na stadionu! Niš, morat ću se ja probit na tu tribinu i neš promjeniti.

[The Scarface]

Kako god da ga okreneš, žalosno je što neće biti koreografije. Jebote igramo protiv Barce 1/2 finale - blamaža.

Za sva sranja postoje dvije medalje. Inaće uopće mi se neda čitat njihovo objašnjenje. Problem je u tome što sa takvim bojkotiranjem ja smatram da se ne postiže ništa i uvijek sam protiv bojkotiranja, da bi se postigla stvar. Poanta je da na tome samo BAYERN puši i niko drugi, jer se niti jedan stranac neće zamarati sa time što se događa na našem stadionu nego će se to smatrati normalnim.

pas mater, odem na Barcu i onda ŠIT ŠTIMUNG na stadionu! Niš, morat ću se ja probit na tu tribinu i neš promjeniti.

Naravno da su trebali preći preko ovih problema i organizirati tu koreografiju jer je ovo najvažnija utakmica ove godine na AA, ali je isto tako vodstvo kluba trebalo nešto učiniti povodom onih problema.

Atmosfera će i bez koreografije biti dobra jer je ovo ultra važna tekma.

[anton 1983]

To je neka njihova borba, no ti "lokalci" moraju prihvatiti da Bayern više nije "lokalan" klub, kao što je bio prije 10 godina, danas je to nešto puno šire...

A da se nekakav dogovor, treba, moga, morao postići, to je POD MUSS!!!

[anton 1983]

Inaće našli smo hotel u Salzburgu, bez doručka 100 kn po glavi. kak smo to našli pojma neam ali zaboli me jer nije 40 eura kak sam planirao To me malo spasilo...

[Red passion]

Pa upravo su odlučili da moraju na ovoj utakmici to napraviti, jer kad bi i tu prešli preko toga, onda bi im još gore bilo. Ovako će na najiščekivanijoj utakmici u zadnjih 2 godine ostaviti svoj trag. Ako ih uprava i nakon toga ne doživi nimalo, neće nikad više.

To prestrašno sve izgleda kad gledam. U HR i ostatku regije navijači se žele u sve živo petljati i svašta se radi što veze nema ni s navijanjem ni sa sportom, dok u Njemačkoj i Bayernu je sve sređeno, sve imaš i ničega ne fali osim - ultrasa na tribinama. Vidio sam na nekim YT komentarima da neki idu toliko da čak upiru prste u strance što dolaze na utakmice i tako im oduzimaju mjesta zbog svojih turističkih posjeta.

Jebiga, Olympiastadion im majka. Tamo baš tolika potražnja nije bila iz kola u kolo a ovi su mogli dolaziti u velikom broju kad god su htjeli i puno toga su nosili i radili, dok na AA Ultrasi moraju prestati dolaziti i ustupiti mjesta 'stranom kapitalu'.

Sve ima svoju cijenu. Klub ne može kupiti i napraviti koreografiju a očekuje se od ovih da svoje slobodno vrijeme troše i rade za cijeli stadion, troše svoju lovu itd. Ne ide to baš tako, mora se raditi i neke ustupke i vraćati usluge. Stalno neki problemi, prvo 1860 i dijeljenje stadiona, pa onda financiranje tzv. kluba br. 1 u gradu, itd. itd.

Svoj bojkot treba preusmjeriti na Grünwalderstrasse kad igra mali Bayern pa tamo demonstrirati navijačku snagu i slati poruke upravi.


Taj problem nije samo u Bayernu, već i u velikim engleskim klubovima poput Uniteda i još nekih gdje vide sve više bogatih žderača hrane, turbana i bradonja koji su zamijenili njihove ultrase.

[Red passion]

I ako već postoje takvi problemi, onda se moralo praviti stadion od 100-110 tisuća mjesta kako bi ultrasa moglo biti po 40-50 tisuća i dati im dijelove na stadionu, a ostali neka pune proračun.

[CroCHEF]

inace koreografija je bila spremna... samo sto se nece koristit.
Evo za one koji nerazumiju njemacki, najvazniji djelovi (lik s drugog foruma je preveo)

"This decision was everything but easy. Probably the hardest in 15 years that Club Nr. 12 has existed, the already planned Choreo for Barca has been aborted. Not because of the UEFA, not because the Bayern Board forbidd it or the police or safety measurements where not met, but because of the fans decision.
Who ever want's to stay at peace and happiness about our current success and keep dreaming about the "triple" should not read the following, for the one's that want to know, the following is a very extensive explanation.
In order to understand the Why there is a LOT of backround information that you have to know."

--Like I said, I won't bring everything up, but as you can read from the first parragraph, shit got serious.

In the past years, especially in the past two, there has been a lot of communication problems between board and the fans. One of the reasons is that there is no straight communication between them, there are intermediaries from the Boards side. This is normal, and happens in every big club. They're called Fanbetreuuer and I have no clue how to translate that, so let's call 'em fanmits (no, this word doesn't actually exist, but cope with me, it's the best I could think of.. in like 3 seconds).

Anyways, communication has been bad. There are 2 meetings per year (!) with the Club, otherwise Club12 has to get in contact with one of the fanmits, Dr. Slawesky anyone? Remember I talked about him the the "fans" thread? His speciallty is communication with terrorists groups. And that is how the fans* think the board is regarding them. Not only because of this Doc but for several reasons.
*Btw when I talk about fans here, it's about the proactive fans in the Südkurve, the ones with standing places, the ones that organize the choreos etc.

Let's list some of these negative reasons:
The Standing seats are beeing looked at as a "Danger Zone" by the board and many of the actions that the board does, back this idea up.
Notice they never talk about the fans?
Last year they forbid any kind of written communication on the stadium like the legendary Südkurvenbladdl.
When the Arena was planned, the Board had agreed that the middle and low area of the Südkurve would be standing seats, but they changed their minds without saying word. Suddenly the new plan was to make it an all seating stadium. After protests they decided to make blocks 112 and 113 standing. 2 blocks from how many? Chek the image to see there are maybe 100 blocks.
Spoiler
Many times have the fans told the Board to expand the standing area but the Board always said there was not going to be any changes involving increasing places. Yet, last year, they build 2000 extra seats.
Bayern has the fewest standing places in the Bundesliga (Sushi, that could be the reason why the atmosphere is not as good as you'd like to)
On very few occasions has the board helped with a Choreo, but it's known that one of the fanmits that knew about the Choreo on the 27th of FEB of 2013 (game vs. Dortmund) before it happen had told it to a München 1860 representative which is a huge betrayal. On that Choreo for example, Bayern refused to help in getting the rights for logo of the city so it would look much more authentic.
Anytime the fanclubs ask about something, even something very specific or important, the club takes months to answer back. For example in the Südkurvenbladdl case.

Part of the reason was also due to some rumors that where spread through the fans, Club12 is not known to act upon rumors but it was part of the reason as why the fans voted* against a Choreo.
*Yeah I might have forgoten that there was a voting, where even members of the Nordkurve took part (interestingly the mayority of them also voted against the choreo). This wasn't just a decision by Club12 as an entity, the representatives of more than a 100 fan clubs that have 10+ people going to each match, voted.
Anyways to the rumors..there where 3 important ones:
The blocks 112/113 will have an electronic entrance pass to avoid trespassing from people that don't own a ticket from these blocks. (This topic on it self is huge and it is VERY important tu the fans because these are the blocks where young people go and become ultras, the ones that lead the athmosphere. It has been increasigly difficult to get youngsters these places. What Im telling you is just he tip of the iceberg on this topic)
The prices for the season tickets will rise due to the Guardiola-hype. The important thing here is that older members will not leave their cheap standing season tickets because the sitting season tickets will get more expensive. Again another reason why the younger and future generation of FCB fans won't be albe to attend the heat of the cheering crowd.
The club is planning on expanding again this summer so that international matches can have more than 70.000-only-seating-places (This was on the news btw). The rumor is: this could affect the already diminished possibility of more standing places. Allegedly there is no money in order to build more capacity for staning places (even I have to shake my head on this one)

Anyhow, it also says that this will also affect the club in getting helpers for further choreos because the helpers from this choreo where massively dissapointed. Some even had asked for vacations from work due to the limited time. All the materials where calculated and ready to be ordered. It was going to be an all stadium choreo like in Lyon.
E-mails where sent to Club12 telling them to think of the players, that they need support and a choreo would work wonders on motivation. To this they answered that they know the Players are not involved in this, but that sadly they don't know the of backround info on this topic. Once they even asked a meeting with the players to talk about choreos and atmosphere, about fans and stuff like that but, Oh how surprising came the answer from the board that this wasn't going to happen at any point.

That's that.

..and there is a lot more that wasn't even mentioned in this message. Showing a fancy, huge choreo simply would not mirror the relationship between Bayern and it's most representative fans.

[CroCHEF]

Zamislite da je juzni dio kat 1 i 2 stajaca tribina... koja bi to atmosfera bila... pa ligaske utakmice bi bile za 82-85k gledatelja.,..

[Red passion]

Tako to ide i u Arsenalu, Unitedu i još nekim klubovima. Cijene ulaznica koma, publika kazališna i sve više multikulturalna, živciraju ih oni kojekakvi VIP-ovci kojima bi mjesta trebala ići da se pokazuju na stadionu iako ih sport zanima ko vremensku prognozu i sl.

[melodyne]

Bayern je stvarno vrhunski klub u sve ali sto se tice navijaca tu je jako tanak... msm ovi sto idu na stadion samo sto ne zaspe!
van Gaal je lepo reko theater publikum...

[Red passion]

Ja da tamo živim, definitivno bih išao na utakmice malog Bayerna, a ovog ako već na stadionu se ne može tjerati kako dečki kažu, onda u klubovima i kafićima u kolektivu i na ulicama.


No šta je tu je... Vratimo se bolje na utakmicu.

Tko će na desetku po vašem mišljenju?

[CroCHEF]

Muller

[melodyne]

Ja da tamo živim, definitivno bih išao na utakmice malog Bayerna, a ovog ako već na stadionu se ne može tjerati kako dečki kažu, onda u klubovima i kafićima u kolektivu i na ulicama.


No šta je tu je... Vratimo se bolje na utakmicu.

Tko će na desetku po vašem mišljenju?

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